my interview part

The 1st one:
[20:23] Ding Atolia: Hello, Sophia
[20:23] Ding Atolia: Hello, Yinyang
[20:24] YinYang Winterwolf: Heya!♥!♥!♡
[20:24] Ding Atolia: can I ask for some help from you?
[20:24] YinYang Winterwolf: wow the music stream is gone eh?
[20:24] YinYang Winterwolf: hmm, they must have moved the .97 like it kept saying
[20:24] YinYang Winterwolf: maybe ding, I am not doing trans interviews lol
[20:25] Ding Atolia: lol, you got me
[20:25] YinYang Winterwolf: yea, another one just hit me at my house overe there not 15 minutes ago
[20:25] Laceybabe Landar: Hello everyone
[20:25] Ding Atolia: lol
[20:25] YinYang Winterwolf: Heya!♥!♥!♡ Lacy
[20:26] YinYang Winterwolf: I am not intreasnition anyways Ding,
[20:26] YinYang Winterwolf: in transition*
[20:26] YinYang Winterwolf: would not me much help for you
[20:26] Ding Atolia: oh, so you are just here to have fun?
[20:26] YinYang Winterwolf: ohh, lol I have my issues... is there a law that states we must transition?
[20:27] YinYang Winterwolf: hehe
[20:27] Laceybabe Landar: Are you transitioning Ding? (if I may ask)
[20:27] Ding Atolia: no, haha
[20:27] YinYang Winterwolf: LOL
[20:27] YinYang Winterwolf: HAHA
[20:27] YinYang Winterwolf: ti funneh
[20:27] YinYang Winterwolf: umm Lacy Ding is a "college studnet" looking to do research on the trans thing,
[20:27] Ding Atolia: i am just doing a project
[20:27] Laceybabe Landar: oh, I see
[20:28] Ding Atolia: wow
[20:28] Ding Atolia: you got me again!
[20:28] YinYang Winterwolf: I think your whole class has the same LamdMark hun
[20:28] YinYang Winterwolf: landmark
[20:29] Ding Atolia: we only have four members in the group
[20:30] Ding Atolia: so, Lacey, can I get some help from you?
[20:30] Laceybabe Landar: Well, I have a transgendered client, so I know a bit about it
[20:30] Ding Atolia: great
[20:30] Laceybabe Landar: I actually came by to see what else I can learn
[20:31] Ding Atolia: so you are an artist in SL
[20:31] Laceybabe Landar: not exactly, I am doing life coaching
[20:31] Laceybabe Landar: the title was suggested by a freind
[20:31] YinYang Winterwolf: trans coaching?
[20:31] YinYang Winterwolf: gawd knows ao many need that
[20:32] Ding Atolia: What do you mean by transgenderd client you have?
[20:32] Laceybabe Landar: not exclusivley, but I do have one, and possibly another transgendered client
[20:32] Laceybabe Landar: She is in the process of transitioning
[20:33] Laceybabe Landar: and I am working with her to guide her through the process
[20:33] Ding Atolia: OH, in SL?
[20:33] YinYang Winterwolf: nice
[20:33] Ding Atolia: COOL
[20:33] YinYang Winterwolf: title off
[20:34] Laceybabe Landar: She is transitioning in RL but modeling the change in SL
[20:34] Ding Atolia: i see
[20:34] YinYang Winterwolf: SL is cool like that
[20:34] YinYang Winterwolf: I got many new ideas for my outfits from here
[20:34] Laceybabe Landar: Yes, I have a couple of clients who are "trying out" changes before adapting them in RL
[20:35] Ding Atolia: so what kinds of difficuities do they meet in transitioning?
[20:35] YinYang Winterwolf: ohh christ
[20:35] YinYang Winterwolf laughs
[20:35] Laceybabe Landar: ? you want to take that one, YinYang?
[20:35] YinYang Winterwolf: that question is backwards hun
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: it should read, what do they NOT have to go through
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: physical, mental financial
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: all a burden
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: and then there is society
[20:36] Laceybabe Landar: Usually the biggest area is socially,
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: you pass?
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: can you pass?
[20:36] Ding Atolia: yeah, the society
[20:36] YinYang Winterwolf: that will make you or break you to start with
[20:37] Ding Atolia: then what's the situation like for trans in SL?
[20:37] YinYang Winterwolf: safe
[20:37] Ding Atolia: NO BURDEN AT ALL?
[20:37] YinYang Winterwolf: safe
[20:37] Laceybabe Landar: or the other question, is your presentation acceptable to others
[20:37] YinYang Winterwolf: true Lacey, no one like a bearded lady
[20:38] Laceybabe Landar: Yes, it is more than just declaring to the world the you are a female
[20:38] Ding Atolia: yeah, i wanna know what kinds of activities do the they have in SL?
[20:38] YinYang Winterwolf: now days they pretty much make you live for a year hair free as a woman befre they will even let you get SRS
[20:39] Laceybabe Landar: The Benjamin protocol?
[20:39] YinYang Winterwolf: not sure what its clled
[20:39] Ding Atolia: what is SRS?
[20:39] YinYang Winterwolf: surgical reassesment
[20:39] Ding Atolia: oh, i see
[20:40] YinYang Winterwolf: yea, just like it sounds
[20:40] Susie223 Chun: Hi, everyone~
[20:40] Laceybabe Landar: and for many TG women it is the be-all of their journey
[20:40] Laceybabe Landar: Hi Susie
[20:40] YinYang Winterwolf: wb sus
[20:41] Ding Atolia: so what kinds of activities do they have in SL?
[20:41] Ding Atolia: for modeling the real life?
[20:41] Ding Atolia: is there anything special?
[20:42] Laceybabe Landar: mostly just effectively playing a female avi
[20:42] YinYang Winterwolf: Well one thing I can say, there is incorrect classifications on much of it, mostly 40 year old studies by quacks in mental hosptials...for example
[20:42] Charlotte Mohegan下线了。
[20:42] YinYang Winterwolf: these old ideals say that anyone who does not want to transition, is simple a fetish sex crossdresser
[20:42] YinYang Winterwolf: I disagree having met so many that are somewhere in the middle
[20:42] Laceybabe Landar: And how would you classify it YinYang?
[20:43] YinYang Winterwolf: im getting there
[20:43] YinYang Winterwolf: ...
[20:43] Laceybabe Landar: okay
[20:44] YinYang Winterwolf: I am not in tranition, but I am not into sex fetishes lmao... I dress because I feel the woman inside of me...but she is not tearing at meh to get out like a full trans
[20:44] YinYang Winterwolf: I am someplace in the middle like millions of new one coming out now
[20:44] Laceybabe Landar: I see
[20:44] Ding Atolia: i see
[20:44] YinYang Winterwolf: if you see someone that puts on a dress but has a beard,,, and is not trans,, thats what a CD realy is
[20:45] Ding Atolia: yeah
[20:45] Susie223 Chun: I C
[20:45] YinYang Winterwolf: tha5ts not meh
[20:45] Laceybabe Landar: Do you ever harbor any desires of being fulltime?
[20:45] Ding Atolia: so may i ask that what do you think of the difference between sex and gender?
[20:45] YinYang Winterwolf: my desire is to feed that side often and even go out and party and make feiends of the like... but
[20:45] Laceybabe Landar: Sex is who you go to bed with and gender is your identity
[20:46] YinYang Winterwolf: I have no interest in going through the entire bruden of tranistion
[20:46] YinYang Winterwolf: those that do, they feel that need
[20:46] Ding Atolia: cool indentification!
[20:46] Susie223 Chun: you say it's a burden?
[20:46] YinYang Winterwolf: there are some that simply must tranistion or die
[20:46] Laceybabe Landar: What is the biggest burden that you see?
[20:46] YinYang Winterwolf: in tranton?
[20:46] Laceybabe Landar: yes
[20:46] YinYang Winterwolf: transition?
[20:47] YinYang Winterwolf: well there hair removal, life body changes from HRT, your mental cost of the changes, your friends and family often get lost in transition, do you have about 30,000 grand? or insurance that cover tranition? umm, and again,,, can you pass?
[20:47] YinYang Winterwolf: should I go on?
[20:47] Laceybabe Landar: yes
[20:47] YinYang Winterwolf: you job?
[20:47] YinYang Winterwolf: the ID?
[20:47] YinYang Winterwolf: anhything I isedd?
[20:48] Laceybabe Landar: probably not
[20:48] YinYang Winterwolf: and in the end you get SRS
[20:48] YinYang Winterwolf: so there goes your sex life?
[20:48] Laceybabe Landar: is the surgery necessary for transition and living fulltime?
[20:48] YinYang Winterwolf: suregy is nessescary so they dont cut it off themselve hun
[20:48] YinYang Winterwolf: lol
[20:49] Ding Atolia: i think it is necessary
[20:49] YinYang Winterwolf: they hate having it
[20:49] Laceybabe Landar: Why is it necessary?
[20:49] YinYang Winterwolf: because it belongs to w guy\
[20:49] YinYang Winterwolf: so your a girl now, all but this one last guy thingy?
[20:50] YinYang Winterwolf: that works for transvstites ans T-girls,, but not transitionals
[20:50] Laceybabe Landar: I see
[20:50] Ding Atolia: yeah, i agree. T-girls are different from transgender
[20:51] YinYang Winterwolf: I fyour ondering why I know so much, it is because I have been around several transchat roms for many years
[20:51] YinYang Winterwolf: I have seen it all lol
[20:51] Laceybabe Landar: So how would you label a transgendered woman who elects not to go through surgery but is otherwise quite satisfied?
[20:51] YinYang Winterwolf: meh?
[20:51] Laceybabe Landar: yes
[20:51] YinYang Winterwolf: i just did
[20:51] YinYang Winterwolf: meh
[20:51] Laceybabe Landar: interesting
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: I have no need for SRS
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: I am happy the way I am, and many call me names
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: like t-girl or whatever
[20:52] Laceybabe Landar: one of the things I have found in discussions with Transgendered people is that there seems to be a strong need for labeling and classification
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: yea..
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: the labeling thing
[20:52] YinYang Winterwolf: lets talk about tghat
[20:53] Laceybabe Landar: yes
[20:53] Ding Atolia: need to be recognized
[20:53] YinYang Winterwolf: in trans terms I am what we call "non-op" "non-labeling"
[20:53] YinYang Winterwolf: because I like so many new ones, as I said earlyer,, are coming out with this in the middle behavior
[20:54] YinYang Winterwolf: and there is no corrrect lable for us yet,, we are often called autogenephilliac,, which is a sexual fetish masturbation term...
[20:54] Laceybabe Landar: yes, I have heard of that
[20:54] YinYang Winterwolf: this would also suggest that you are arroused by simply feeling a womans clothing on
[20:54] YinYang Winterwolf: not a life need or feeling,, a fetish
[20:54] Laceybabe Landar: So where would you put the term "shemale"
[20:54] YinYang Winterwolf: true trans luv this lable
[20:54] YinYang Winterwolf: why?
[20:55] Laceybabe Landar: just wondering
[20:55] YinYang Winterwolf: because they have no sex drive anymore and they can use it against others they feel grab at the trans resources,,, they luv this term as it is beliitiling to anyone who has not suffered the wtrath of true trans
[20:56] YinYang Winterwolf: I have seen this argument destory a chat room in monutes
[20:56] Laceybabe Landar: I have heard that label also "true transsexual"
[20:56] YinYang Winterwolf: this is the direct result of the lack of current labeling
[20:56] YinYang Winterwolf: I am personly affended by the labeling system
[20:57] Laceybabe Landar: In my coaching practice I like to discourage any kind of labeling. It limits peoples ability to grow and change
[20:57] Ding Atolia: ok, I am running out of time, and your discussion will help me a lot, thanks, byebye

The 2nd one:
[20:12] Ding Atolia: Hello, Tiffany
[20:12] Tiffany Kohime: hi
[20:12] Ding Atolia: can you do me a favor?
[20:12] Tiffany Kohime: what?
[20:13] Ding Atolia: I'm a student
[20:13] Tiffany Kohime: ok
[20:13] Ding Atolia: and i'm doing a report about transgender, so could you offer me some information?
[20:13] Tiffany Kohime: cetainly
[20:13] Tiffany Kohime: certainly*
[20:13] Ding Atolia: thanks
[20:14] Ding Atolia: so you come here often?
[20:14] Tiffany Kohime: ussually yes
[20:14] Tiffany Kohime: not as often as I use to though
[20:14] Tiffany Kohime: use to come here just about everyday
[20:15] Ding Atolia: I see
[20:15] Ding Atolia: what kinds of activities do you often do here
[20:15] Tiffany Kohime: chat
[20:15] Ding Atolia: what kind of fun?
[20:15] Ding Atolia: with strangers or friends?
[20:15] Tiffany Kohime: well for me this is a place to hang out
[20:16] Tiffany Kohime: and talk to both friends and strangers
[20:16] Ding Atolia: ok haha
[20:16] Tiffany Kohime: alot of cool people come here
[20:16] Tiffany Kohime: I think
[20:16] Ding Atolia: yes, i met two guys yesterday
[20:17] Ding Atolia: they were cool
[20:17] Tiffany Kohime: mostly females come here though
[20:17] Ding Atolia: why?
[20:17] Tiffany Kohime: not sure
[20:17] Tiffany Kohime: just that it seems that ftm are more likely to go stealth
[20:17] Tiffany Kohime: and not look for support
[20:18] Tiffany Kohime: I'm not totally sure though
[20:18] Ding Atolia: sorry, what does "go stealth" mean?
[20:18] Tiffany Kohime: try to live as a cisman basically as much as possible
[20:19] Tiffany Kohime: I mean making it a secret that you're ts
[20:19] Ding Atolia: oh, got it
[20:19] Tiffany Kohime: but I ussually let my friends know
[20:19] Tiffany Kohime: but I don't advertise it
[20:19] Ding Atolia: yeah, i see
[20:20] Tiffany Kohime: from one point it is nice to not get harrassment, but at the same time thats alot of history to be hiding
[20:20] Tiffany Kohime: but still
[20:20] Tiffany Kohime: no reason to blurt it out to everyone
[20:20] Ding Atolia: so actually SL provides a nice platform, right
[20:20] Tiffany Kohime: as really it isn't peopel's business
[20:20] Tiffany Kohime: yea
[20:21] Tiffany Kohime: I even let people know I'm trans in my profile
[20:21] Tiffany Kohime: as I don't really care
[20:21] Ding Atolia: yeah, as long as we are enjoying ourselves, i think that's great
[20:21] Tiffany Kohime: if people know or not here
[20:21] Ding Atolia: yeah
[20:22] Tiffany Kohime: its up to the individual for what to do with that kind of information
[20:22] Tiffany Kohime: just like anything else
[20:22] Ding Atolia: so specially, what kinds of differences do you think between RL and SL
[20:22] Ding Atolia: in terms of trans culture
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: alot more trans people on sl
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: but for my personally experience most people seem to be cool with it in rl
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: or at the least they don't harrass me
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: but I've heard different stories
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: but
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: for me
[20:23] Ding Atolia: yes?
[20:23] Tiffany Kohime: I haven't had any real problems
[20:24] Ding Atolia: ok
[20:24] Tiffany Kohime: wether they talk behind my back or not
[20:24] Tiffany Kohime: I don't know
[20:24] Tiffany Kohime: or care
[20:25] Tiffany Kohime: or even they even know I'm trans
[20:25] Ding Atolia: yeah, let them talk
[20:25] Tiffany Kohime: basically I just try to live my life
[20:25] Ding Atolia: yeah
[20:26] Ding Atolia: so no offence, are you someone in the middle or more?
[20:26] Ding Atolia: last time i came here
[20:26] Tiffany Kohime: what do you mean?
[20:26] Tiffany Kohime: sorry
[20:26] Tiffany Kohime: I don't quite understand
[20:26] Tiffany Kohime: the question
[20:26] Ding Atolia: one guy says he likes to be dressed in girls' clothes
[20:27] Tiffany Kohime: well that depends on the person
[20:27] Ding Atolia: but he won't do the surgery in RL
[20:27] Tiffany Kohime: I indentify as female
[20:27] Tiffany Kohime: well I plan on getting surgery
[20:27] Tiffany Kohime: I ussually wear whatever I want
[20:27] Ding Atolia: oh, ok
[20:27] Ding Atolia: so it's kinda of about the inside, right?
[20:28] Tiffany Kohime: part of it yes
[20:28] Tiffany Kohime: some of it I do feel I need srs
[20:28] Tiffany Kohime: but mostly because I feel that I'm meant to have a female body
[20:28] Tiffany Kohime: it doesn't feel natural to have a male body
[20:28] Ding Atolia: yeah, cool for you to think in that way
[20:28] Tiffany Kohime: but for some tgirls that might be different
[20:29] Tiffany Kohime: or tmen
[20:29] Tiffany Kohime: I've even saw a person who identified as male, but he perfered having a vagina
[20:29] Tiffany Kohime: so
[20:30] Tiffany Kohime: there is alot of deversity I think
[20:30] Ding Atolia: yeah, true
[20:30] Tiffany Kohime: I try to be open minded
[20:30] Ding Atolia: so do you feel a lot pf pressure in RL?
[20:30] Tiffany Kohime: and I accept different people are different
[20:31] Ding Atolia: yes, i think so
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: well i don't feel too much pressure
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: I actually have a supportive family
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: though
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: when it comes to therapists
[20:31] Ding Atolia: yes?
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: I had to go through alot of them
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: to find some that would actually help me
[20:31] Ding Atolia: yes.
[20:31] Tiffany Kohime: as I need 2 letters to be written to get srs
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: one from a therapist
[20:32] Ding Atolia: letters?
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: and one from a person with a md
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: or phd
[20:32] Ding Atolia: why?
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: letters says that I should get the surgery
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: to make sure people don't make mistakes with this
[20:32] Tiffany Kohime: because this is something that is irreversable
[20:32] Ding Atolia: just any person who has a md?
[20:32] Ding Atolia: or phd?
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: no
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: they have to be in the field of mental health
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: I think
[20:33] Ding Atolia: oh, i see
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: or at least a medical docter
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: but it probably varies
[20:33] Ashley Lynch: type type type type
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: from whatever the surgeon/hospital expects
[20:33] Ding Atolia: i see
[20:33] Ding Atolia: Hello, Ashley
[20:33] Tiffany Kohime: but srs isn't just something they will give a person
[20:34] Ashley Lynch: hiya
[20:34] Tiffany Kohime: ashley is a post op mtf
[20:34] Tiffany Kohime: as she has had srs
[20:34] Tiffany Kohime: ding is a student asking me questions
[20:34] Ding Atolia: so you actually need a lot time before doing srs
[20:34] Ding Atolia: yeah, nice to meet you
[20:35] Ashley Lynch: I'm a lot of things including a failure
[20:35] Ashley Lynch: I'm what not to do
[20:35] Tiffany Kohime: the minium requirements are 1 year of physchotherapy, being fulltime, and on hormones
[20:35] Ashley Lynch: I am a cautionary tale in slow motion
[20:36] Tiffany Kohime: ussually it takes 4 years to complete the process though
[20:36] Ding Atolia: wow
[20:36] Ding Atolia: that's a long time
[20:36] Tiffany Kohime: but theorically one could get it in 1 year
[20:36] Tiffany Kohime: but that rarely happens in practice
[20:36] Ashley Lynch: didn't take me no 4 years
[20:36] Ding Atolia: how long did it take you
[20:36] Tiffany Kohime: I'm not talking about everyone
[20:37] Tiffany Kohime: I've only recently made any real progress in transition
[20:37] Tiffany Kohime: I've outed myself when I was 19
[20:37] Ashley Lynch: hormones in march 07, fulltime oct 07, surgery march 09
[20:37] Tiffany Kohime: I'm 23 now
[20:37] Glenna Lane下线了。
[20:38] Tiffany Kohime: I doubt I'll get srs this year
[20:38] Ding Atolia: wow
[20:38] Tiffany Kohime: but
[20:38] Tiffany Kohime: the good news is that I've broken some huge barriers
[20:38] Ding Atolia: like what?
[20:39] Ding Atolia: you mean physically
[20:39] Tiffany Kohime: finding a therapist and psychiatrist that would actually work with me
[20:39] Ashley Lynch: or you can just give up now and realize the world has no place for you
[20:39] Ashley Lynch: but I wouldn't listen to me either
[20:39] Ding Atolia: so Ashley, why are you so depressed
[20:40] Tiffany Kohime: for one she can't she her daughter
[20:40] Tiffany Kohime: I think
[20:40] Tiffany Kohime: I'm not sure if thats been worked out
[20:40] Ashley Lynch: I got a scholarship today
[20:40] Ashley Lynch: for $5000
[20:40] Ding Atolia: she cannot she her daughter?
[20:40] Ding Atolia: what does it mean?
[20:40] Ashley Lynch: I can't afford the rest
[20:40] Tiffany Kohime: well when she outed herself
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: her wife wasn't pleased
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: that she was ts
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: and she decided to be a bitch
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: and not want to give visiting rights to ash
[20:41] Ding Atolia: so she was married before
[20:41] Ding Atolia: ?
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: yea
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: alot of trans people are married for many years
[20:41] Ding Atolia: oh, i see
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: before they out themselves
[20:41] Ashley Lynch: it's a lot more complicated than that
[20:41] Tiffany Kohime: actually for alot of people its a barrier
[20:42] Tiffany Kohime: well yea
[20:42] Tiffany Kohime: well I'm sure ash could give greater details
[20:42] Tiffany Kohime: than I could
[20:42] Tiffany Kohime: as I never got married
[20:42] Tiffany Kohime: I don't have children
[20:43] Tiffany Kohime: I kind of got lucky there
[20:43] Ashley Lynch: and we're all thank ful for that
[20:43] Tiffany Kohime: so
[20:43] Ding Atolia: yeah
[20:44] Ding Atolia: so Ashley, could you tell me more?
[20:44] Ashley Lynch: about waht?
[20:44] Tiffany Kohime: alot of ftm end up getting into lesbian relationships
[20:44] Tiffany Kohime: before they out themselves
[20:45] Ding Atolia: just your experiences, like the difficulties
[20:45] Ding Atolia: what do you mean
[20:46] Ashley Lynch: this is so the wrong time to get anythign objective from me
[20:46] Tiffany Kohime: I have quite a few conditions that make mental health professionals weary about me transitioning
[20:46] Ding Atolia: i thought "out themselves" means to be getting into lesbian relatinship
[20:46] Ashley Lynch: for starters I'm on the verge of alcohol poisoning, so take that into accoutn
[20:46] Tiffany Kohime: for one I'm autistic
[20:46] Tiffany Kohime: I also have ocd
[20:46] Tiffany Kohime: and a mood disorder
[20:46] Tiffany Kohime: and a few other things
[20:47] Tiffany Kohime: for trans people
[20:47] Tiffany Kohime: outing means
[20:47] Tiffany Kohime: letting people know you're trans
[20:47] Tiffany Kohime: but yea
[20:47] Ashley Lynch: "out" just means people knowing that your'e a woman
[20:47] Tiffany Kohime: it can also mean revealing you're homosexual
[20:47] Ashley Lynch: or if your'e ftm that you're a man
[20:47] Ashley Lynch: gender is not sexuality
[20:48] Ding Atolia: oh, isee
[20:48] Ding Atolia: yes
[20:48] Ding Atolia: that's what i most agree with
[20:48] Ding Atolia: we actually discussed it in class
[20:48] Ashley Lynch: you can out yourself as a woman and then out yourself as a lesbian if you want, like I did
[20:49] Ding Atolia: i'm a little confused here
[20:49] Ding Atolia: so outing youself as a woman doesn't mean you like man?
[20:50] Tiffany Kohime: no
[20:50] Tiffany Kohime: you can be transexual and homosexual
[20:50] Ding Atolia: so trans have little to do with sexuality
[20:50] Tiffany Kohime: yea
[20:50] Ashley Lynch: remember gender and seuxality are completely different
[20:51] Ding Atolia: yeah, it's easy to realize that it is a truth, but it is difficult to think in that way
[20:52] Ding Atolia: as what the society is
[20:52] Ding Atolia: may i ask which countries are you from
[20:52] Tiffany Kohime: I'm from the US
[20:53] Ding Atolia: the environment is good, i suppose
[20:53] Tiffany Kohime: lived where I am all my life
[20:53] Tiffany Kohime: same town anyway
[20:54] Ding Atolia: which state?
[20:54] Tiffany Kohime: Indiana
[20:54] Ding Atolia: oh
[20:54] Tiffany Kohime: quite pretty out this time of year
[20:54] Tiffany Kohime: hot though
[20:54] Ding Atolia: i have teachers from Teaxs
[20:54] Ding Atolia: and friends
[20:55] Ding Atolia: i'm a English major, haha
[20:55] Ding Atolia: and i'd like to go to US, one day
[20:55] Tiffany Kohime: has its pros and cons
[20:55] Ashley Lynch: god i'm dizzy
[20:57] Ding Atolia: what are the pros and cons?
[20:57] Ashley Lynch: of being trans?
[20:57] Tiffany Kohime: well the gltb movement is behind a little
[20:58] Ding Atolia: no, i mean of the environment
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: in getting rights
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: well
[20:58] Astarte Lectar: hello girls, may i join you?
[20:58] Ding Atolia: do you attend those movements?
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: here the enviroment is very nice
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: well ussually no
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: but
[20:58] Tiffany Kohime: I do come here
[20:58] Ding Atolia: Hello, Astarte
[20:59] Tiffany Kohime: I don't have the resources to go to such events\
[20:59] Astarte Lectar: Hello Ding!
[20:59] Tiffany Kohime: as I don't drive
[20:59] Ding Atolia: so is there any movement like that in SL?
[20:59] Astarte Lectar: Hi tiffany....Ashley
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: well they have a memmorial for trans people killed just for being trans
[21:00] Ding Atolia: you mean in SL?
[21:00] Astarte Lectar: I went there once...very sad
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: yea
[21:00] Astarte Lectar: Very upsetting
[21:00] Ding Atolia: to memorize those being killed in RL?
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: alot of great people murdered
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: yea
[21:00] Astarte Lectar: Yes
[21:00] Ding Atolia: murdered?
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: they were murdered
[21:00] Tiffany Kohime: for being trans
[21:01] Ding Atolia: by whom?
[21:01] Astarte Lectar: Or suicide i think too
[21:01] Tiffany Kohime: that too
[21:01] Ding Atolia: how can they do that?
[21:01] Ashley Lynch: sounds like a good idea
[21:01] Ashley Lynch: off to the bathtub with a razor I go
[21:01] Ding Atolia: don't be so sad, Ash
[21:01] Ding Atolia: there are many people in the world
[21:02] Astarte Lectar: Youre kidding ashley right?
[21:02] Ding Atolia: who understand this culture
[21:02] Ashley Lynch: depends on if I pass our from alcohol poisoning on the way
[21:02] Ding Atolia: it takes time
[21:02] Ashley Lynch: heh, I wrote this into my novel
[21:02] Astarte Lectar: Yes, youre kidding! : )
[21:02] Tiffany Kohime: things are improving though for people like us
[21:02] Ding Atolia: yes
[21:03] Ashley Lynch: girl wants to kill herself but can't do it because she's so drunk
[21:03] Tiffany Kohime: advertising your novel
[21:03] Tiffany Kohime: cheeky
[21:03] Ashley Lynch: so she pulls out a straight razor and asks someone to do it fo rher
[21:03] Ashley Lynch: it's okay, it'll never get published
[21:03] Ashley Lynch: just like I'll never go to school
[21:03] Astarte Lectar: What's is called?
[21:03] Ashley Lynch: I can accept that now
[21:04] Ashley Lynch: Underwater
[21:04] Astarte Lectar: Mmm evocative title
[21:05] Astarte Lectar: quick plot summation?
[21:05] Ding Atolia: have you ever seen the film mysterious skin?
[21:05] Ashley Lynch: there comes a time when the failures of life stop being funny and it's type to do something about it
[21:05] Ashley Lynch: yeah I have, a bit to gay for my tastes
[21:05] Astarte Lectar: No
[21:05] Ashley Lynch: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=328958936487
[21:06] Ding Atolia: we were shown uin class
[21:06] Ding Atolia: in
[21:06] Astarte Lectar: I think TG is a subject which is ready for discussion
[21:06] Ding Atolia: and have to write something about that
[21:06] Ashley Lynch: I'm reminded of the line from the Spanish Prisoner, "I put a thief in my mouth to steal my brain"
[21:06] Astarte Lectar: A very modern phenomenon
[21:06] Ashley Lynch: not really
[21:07] Ashley Lynch: Roman soldiers used to drink pregnant horse piss for the estrogen content which would feminize them
[21:07] Astarte Lectar: Well maybe not but only recently has it become technologicall y feasible.
[21:07] Astarte Lectar: I didnt know that horse piss eh? here horsey horsey!!
[21:08] Ashley Lynch: that's where premarin comes from
[21:08] Ashley Lynch: PREgnant MARe's uRINe
[21:08] Astarte Lectar: I dont want to sound gross but what about human females......you know?
[21:09] Ashley Lynch: i dunno about htat
[21:09] Jeanne Walpole: Hey all
[21:09] Ashley Lynch: someone put me out of my misery
[21:09] Astarte Lectar: hi Jeanne!
[21:09] Astarte Lectar: Ok... need a laugh?
[21:09] Tiffany Kohime: do you enjoy being a drama queen?
[21:10] Ashley Lynch: all I know is this drunk thing isn't working out like i hoped
[21:11] Jeanne Walpole: What is being talked about?
[21:11] Ding Atolia: sorry, I'd like to ask one question?
[21:11] Astarte Lectar: booze is a depressant you need some weed
[21:11] Ding Atolia: do you think SL is a shelter or a way to work out for reality?
[21:11] Astarte Lectar: Both
[21:11] Jeanne Walpole: Defs both
[21:12] Astarte Lectar: I love being female in SL it helps me deal with not being female in RL
[21:12] Tiffany Kohime: it can do both
[21:12] Astarte Lectar: It really is a Second Life for me
[21:12] Jeanne Walpole: It's also nice that this actual gathering place for T people exists in SL -- if there's a similar place in RL I don't know about it
[21:13] Jeanne Walpole: I didn't get the memo
[21:13] Tiffany Kohime: it can prepare you for the rl
[21:13] Astarte Lectar: yes lots of info and sharing of feelings etc
[21:13] Tiffany Kohime: sl is a really nice place to meet friends
[21:13] Astarte Lectar: Yes